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autor: iro30 | date: 2008-11-08 | category: AnimeHey I making this thread to see about who wants Richiey back. After all he's Ash best Rival plus they both make a good team so I think that he should come back in the series in a new episode. I just changed the title to what's Ash's best rival so now you can also post which rival do you think it's better.
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i don't mind him coming back, he did appeared in pokemon chronicles but appearing in Sinnoh with no apparent reason is pretty hard.
autor: Adampajak
Hiroshi is boring and dull, Shigeru and Shinji are better rivals for Satoshi.
autor: bekkaa
Quote- by Kasumi Hiroshi is boring and dull, Shigeru and Shinji are better rivals for Satoshi.can't u refer to there english name. However i do agree with you but it wouldn't hurt to show him again.
autor: Siersciuch
Ritchie is like, the least-likeable character in the anime. He's basically a clone of Ash that doesn't make mistakes and makes himself better then him.
autor: iro2006
I'd like to see him return...to get viciously assaulted with a rod shaped object. But that's just Furi.
autor: pyskab
Hiroshi= Richie Shigeru = Gary Shinji = Paul Satoshi = AshQuote- by PDL Ritchie is like, the least-likeable character in the anime. He's basically a clone of Ash that doesn't make mistakes and makes himself better then him.In other words, a Gary Stu no one wants to see again.
autor: pysle333
He was too much like Ash for my liking. I say good riddance. :)
autor: kicikici1
I would like to see Ash beat him though. Ever since the Indigo league, I always wanted to see Ash kick his ass. It would be amusing if he used Charizard to do so, because Charizard not obeying Ash is the reason he lost to Richie in the first place.
autor: kicial
yeah actually that's one of my two reasons the other one is that I wanna see Richie's charizard.
autor: beki01
Quote- by elleryferrer yeah actually that's one of my two reasons the other one is that I wanna see Richie's charizard.Ash's Charizard is a way better character though. Most of Ritchie's PokśŠmon were also direct copies of Ash's. Except for Pupatiar.
autor: olczatka
yeah but I wanna see like if Ash summons charizard and it battles Richie's charizard like in the electric tales of Pikachu, that battle be great except that Ash's charizard would win ubiously
autor: kiciak7
*wind blows* I think you may be the only person who wants to see Hiroshi again. Honestly, he was so dull no one would notice if he died.
autor: Maximus52645
I wouldn't mind having Richie back in the show. I thought he was adorable. Although if the show were more better written and mature, I could see Richie being a deeper character. A lot of people you'll meet in real life who seem like you only better can have serious problems inside. But since Pokemon is a kodomo series (no shounen or shoujo), they don't get that deep.Quote- u refer to there english name pokemonboard.info is more Japanese oriented than most forums you probably go to so just learn the names and it'll save you trouble.
autor: Maximus52645
I know PokśŠmon fandom in general tends to have a lot of disdain towards Ritchie, and this thread displays it as such. But of course, it's a matter of opinion, so I'm not trying to denounce or jeer anyone by that. That's not something that would ring of a sulking mood piece to me (if that doesn't sound excessively hyperbolic), just pointing. That aside, I don't think Ritchie is an Ash clone at all. Just because he's similar in appearance and captures the same PokśŠmon does not make him a carbon copy. You'd have to peer a tad deeper than that. They're both based on the character Red from the games, to my recollection, but that doesn't make them the same on every front. Ritchie is more fearful, reserved, modest, observant, premeditating, and wary, whereas Ash is very single-minded, determined, tenacious, intuitive, passionate, and hyper-focused. But none of them are easily discouraged - both have very warm, fervent hearts and are compassionate by nature. And both are good PokśŠmon trainers. None of those qualities are worthy of repulsion to me - they're all admirable in their own merits. Ritchie is very respectful and mature for his age (that is, if you still see him as a 10 year old - I don't because I see no cohesion in the "characters don't age" theory, but that's for another thread of discussion, and I don't want to flare up an argument of sorts), and respect is not a singular thing. At the very least he's not the pompous kind of jerk who has to outwardly exhibit his pride to satisfy said pride (that's not to lament characters like Gary for that, as he's based on the character Blue from the games so that arrogance is in nature for him). Ritchie's not a jerk at all. He's one of the very fulcrums by which Ash learned and matured (with Ash's defeat at the Indigo league, for he obviously didn't properly train his Charizard), and I see that as a good thing. Nor is Ritchie whiny and bratty, which many people have hated Max for (but hey, Max was 7 or 8 in my recollection when he was introduced to the series, so...). He (Ritchie) does sort of lack that vigor and unique, distinguished, commanding spark that Ash has, but that doesn't make him (Ritchie) dull to me. It just means he's one of the more reserved and kind characters. But to answer the thread directly - yes, I wouldn't mind seeing him return. EDIT: As for the best rival, while as aforementioned, I'm not of the view that Ritchie is a bad character I'd have to give that moniker to Gary. His cockiness in relation to Ash's impulsiveness was a great and amusing dynamic and though Ash didn't openly admit to it he did appreciate the new plateaus Gary gave him to reach when Ash thought he was ahead (even though Ash seemed more annoyed than frustrated in my eyes), which was a platform for further appreciation. Ash's limpid expression and reactions were priceless as well, and none of the rivals feel as fresh or original to me since. It's not that I find Morrison particularly repugnant, but I'm not a fan of him and Harrison nor Tyson don't bring just as interesting or new characterizations out of Ash (but that could be because Ash has matured greatly). And Paul doesn't feel that novel either. IMO.
autor: tomeklodz
that was deep man and I agreed with you I mean thanks to Ash's lost to Richie he has grew up I man sure Ash is still impulsive but his more mature and if he hadn't been for Richie he still be as impulsive as before . That's another good reason for him to come back plust he's also like Ash's brother well older brother at least.
autor: adampilka
I wouldn't mind seeing Ritchie again (or at least seeing him getting a small cameo). I never really understood why so many people hated his character so much, I know he was a copy of Ash, but I liked that it allowed us to see what could have happened to Ash if he chose to evolve his pokemon or didn't release some of them. I don't care if Ritchie returns or not, but it would be at least a bit fun to see him again.
autor: adampa18
Richie was back in the day when the writers couldn't figure out how to write a unique end-of-league rival. If you think about it, the new league rivals have gotten slightly more interesting with each league. We went from Richie, to Harrisson, to Morrisson and Tyson. Each one had a bit more personality than the last. Granted all of these rivals are dull compared to Gary and Paul, but I guess the writers want Ash to face some new guy at the end of every competition.
autor: danuta-k1
I don't exactly hate Richie, but there is something that always pissed me off concerning him. Now, the idea of Ash vs. Richie was genius. Ash losing in the league because Charizard doesn't listen to him? And against a more mature version of him who has a better idea of what he's doing? Brilliant! The Electric Tale of Pikachu pulled this off really well, especially since in that version Richie actually had a Charizard that listend to him instead of just a Charmander. (It's also awesome because instead of Charizard just napping because it considered Sparky a pipsqueak, it went ferociously out of control and actually tried to kill Richie's Charizard, even chomping into its neck and causing it to bleed profusely! Of course if the anime had done this it would have been a G-rated version of that, but it would still be cool.) Where the anime slips up is the match itself and the events before that. Team Rocket kidnapping and then chasing Ash, making him several hours late for a league match is actually a clever idea on its own. But there were multiple problems with the way it played out. A huge one being that it absolutely exhausted half of his PokśŠmon, with Squirtle filling an entire truck with water, Pidgeotto collapsing before the match even started, and Pikachu being visibly tired and ready to faint during the battle. Ash was at a huge disadvantage here, with half his team either not up to par or not even able to battle! If it weren't for that, Ash very well could have won that battle. To add salt to the wound, the battle itself was stupidly short and unexciting, even as far as Kanto goes. Hell, I'd even call it the worse battle in the entire series. And Ash and Richie saying "it's the best battle ever!" every five seconds did not help matters. At all. Like I said, Ash's inability to control Charizard being the reason he lost the league was pretty clever. The rest of that ordeal was freakin' awful. Which is why I can never look at Richie and not get slightly miffed. :3 Also, like others have said, Richie really needs to return for Ash to beat him. But with a good battle this time. Off-topic slightly: as I was thinking about it... if Ash didn't have such a narrow S3LECTion and wasn't pretty much forced to pick Charizard, he probably had a 50/50 chance of beating Richie. Meaning he would have gotten into the Top 8. The same score he had for Johto and Hoenn. Now obviously he has improved signifigantly as a trainer since Kanto, but the fact that he could have had a good shot at making the same place he got at Hoenn is... slightly disturbing. o.o Ash really really really needs to do super-duper well in the Sinnoh league.
autor: pyskowice
I can't recall exactly, but why didn't Ash just use Kingler or Muk in the Richie battle? Pikachu and Squirtle got KO'd in the match, Pidgeotto was too tired...what happened to Bulbasaur? I don't remember. Instead of using Charizard he might have stood a chance with Muk or Kingler.
autor: danusia18
Quote- by Scott85 I can't recall exactly, but why didn't Ash just use Kingler or Muk in the Richie battle? Pikachu and Squirtle got KO'd in the match, Pidgeotto was too tired...what happened to Bulbasaur? I don't remember. Instead of using Charizard he might have stood a chance with Muk or Kingler.IIRC, he was facing Zippo when he sent out Charizard. And Fire + Grass = bad, so Bulbasaur was out. That would have left Kingler or Muk, depending on which he had at the moment, if either. I'm going to assume he had Muk on him, since if he was facing a Charmander and didn't send out Kingler when he had the chance, he would be even stupider than we all thought. :P So, yeah, he should he went with Muk (assuming Muk was on his team at the time)... but again, flubbing up with Charizard was the only good part of the battle.
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Quote- by Crystal Clair pokemonboard.info is more Japanese oriented than most forums you probably go to so just learn the names and it'll save you trouble.look isn't it way faster just to refer to there english name. Instead of typng Satoshi u can just type Ash done fast and easy to refer.
autor: siery
Ash chose the order of his Pokemon incorrectly. He should have used Bulbasaur instead of Squirtle against Butterfree, since Bulbasaur's beaten Ash's before. Then Squirtle could have taken care of Charmander, leaving Ash to use either his own Pikachu against Sparky or maybe Muk.
autor: iro293
Quote- by FireEmblemSP Ash chose the order of his Pokemon incorrectly. He should have used Bulbasaur instead of Squirtle against Butterfree, since Bulbasaur's beaten Ash's before. Then Squirtle could have taken care of Charmander, leaving Ash to use either his own Pikachu against Sparky or maybe Muk.Just as i was thinking =O
autor: pyskab
ash used almost all his pokemon to stop team rocket if he would had used bulbasour against richies butterfree there wouldn't had make a lot of difference plus it could have been affected by sleep powder. plus even if bulbasour would have beaten butterfree he would had lost against Richey's charmander, and squirtle didn't had much energy from using so much of his water gun against team rocket so it wouldn't had lasted, and then there's pikachu who could had beaten charmander but probalby tied against Richey's pikachu, well that's better than losing I guess.
autor: maximus54
I don't wanna see that little wannabe character agian thanks. But its your opinion and I respect, its cool.
autor: tomekll
No prob this is a thread were you can post your opinions and hey that's yours it's good that you can say your real opinions being good or bad. so thanks for Ashfangirl17.
autor: pyso
Quote- by Scott85 Richie was back in the day when the writers couldn't figure out how to write a unique end-of-league rival. If you think about it, the new league rivals have gotten slightly more interesting with each league. We went from Richie, to Harrisson, to Morrisson and Tyson. Each one had a bit more personality than the last. Granted all of these rivals are dull compared to Gary and Paul, but I guess the writers want Ash to face some new guy at the end of every competition.u gotta be kiddin me, I agree with you on da Harrison part but Morrison and Tyson, thet're really really boring.
autor: Danuta Giletycz
Morrison had lots of personality, he was one of the funniest rivals Ash ever had. I will agree Tyson wasn't much, but he had an interesting backstory with his Meowth.
autor: Adampajak
I really did not like Morrison, probably above all of Ash's other rivals. I'm probably just too used to most of Ash's rivals being monotonous, which Morrison wasn't. He seemed obnoxious and just wasn't funny either.
autor: tomekl9
What about Harrison? Are we ignoring him because he's part of "that region"? :P Even though Master Quest wasn't that bad...I think. If we're talking about Ash's rivals post-Gary, sure Morrison was a funny guy, apart from being a little pathetic during the Hoenn League. Tyson was okay, the only thing I can think of him is that he's closer to May when it comes to food. Best contemporary rival as of now is no doubt, Paul.
autor: danuta tomaszewska
Quote- by SUPEREPIC I really did not like Morrison, probably above all of Ash's other rivals. I'm probably just too used to most of Ash's rivals being monotonous, which Morrison wasn't. He seemed obnoxious and just wasn't funny either.I've always said Morrison reminds me of Yajirobe from DBZ. Anyone who watched DBZ knows who Yajirobe is, and that's who Morrison was probably based off of. Heh, I bet some of the Pokemon writers are Dragonball fans.
autor: oldaw5
You are exactly right there, Scott, the first time I saw Morrison, I was thinking that he looked familiar to someone else. Yajirobe's awesome.
autor: Luc1981
Gary! Gary was his whole motivation and goal in the original series. Gary was what pushed him to be better. If thats not a good rival I dont know what is.
autor: Fifkolos
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